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  • Japh commented on a boo

    23 May 2009

    “Nice first boo :) Boo more! More boos from you! (Have I said boo enough in this comment yet? No? Boo!)”

  • Japh followed johnonolan

    23 May 2009

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  • Japh commented on a boo

    21 April 2009

    “Hi Aaron, So sorry! I was only just alerted to your 'boo! I missed it somehow... Anyway, I still rather disagree with you that users would be bothered by this behaviour. Most security software does similar things. It's not deception, it's using a visual cue that user's are familiar with to communicate that they ought to take action and upgrade. Which is precisely the case! Else why would Microsoft have released IE7 as a high importance security update? Yes it looks like a warning message, because it is one, and yes it emulates Microsoft warning messages... because it's about Microsoft software. But I doubt user's are going to click it, download IE8 and upgrade, and then turn around and say "Hang on! I've been tricked into upgrading my software to the latest version!!" and get mad ;) Also, I wish I could agree with you about IE6 only having a few months left in it... Corporates will still be using IE6 this time next year, I guarantee you. But hopefully, they'll be well into testing later version on their SOEs and rolling them out across their networks by late next year! :D”

  • Japh commented on a boo

    20 April 2009

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    A Rant About IE6 update!

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    about 4 years ago North Dorset, Dorset, United Kingdom

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    “@thedjbook: I have worked in the IT industry since 1999, the first 7 years of which spent in the IT areas of large corporates. I do not see this as any sort of particular excuse. In fact, even these corporates will likely be upgrading to at least IE7 in the next 12 months or so (or gearing up for it anyway), as the support is gradually dropped by Microsoft (Windows XP is now in "extended support", meaning high security patches only). Also "It’s not our place to force this upon them or put them in a situation were they have no choice.": The script does not in any way remove the user's choice. In fact, it is simply providing an opportunity to make a choice. It is actually the very corporate environments you speak of that have removed the choice.”

  • Japh followed Done21

    20 April 2009

    Done21

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  • Japh commented on a boo

    20 April 2009

    “"Its also completely misleading to the user as you its pretending to be a MS alert bar, which it isnt. For all a customer knows, this could be a link to a dangerous piece of malware etc, it gives the impression on authority where none exists, and therefore is in itself malware." This is a fairly extreme and inaccurate statement. It is an alert bar, and it is about a Microsoft product that is out of date, and links directly to Microsoft's own website.”

  • Japh commented on a boo

    20 April 2009

    “Microsoft may not even be aware the script exists, and I would actually be very interested to know what they thought of it if they do! I think the script means well, and at least attempts to do what it's doing in a logical way. Users who don't have their OS's "auto-update" mechanism turned on, won't necessarily even be aware they need to update without a script like this. Also, Microsoft have a similar tool to this already. If you fire up a freshly installed version of Internet Explorer 6, it will load up on the web page asking you to update to IE8. I don't believe users who are using IE6 by choice will find this any more annoying than the various other prompts they must be getting all the time about software being out of date. Also, it is unobtrusive enough to easily be ignored if a user should choose to do so. I believe that of the ways there are available to encourage users to update to IE6, this is the most appropriate. Please note though, that I am not at all endorsing the use of this script as an excuse for having your website break in IE6. That is never acceptable. I merely think it is a good way to communicate to the user why they may experience a diminished version of the site when using out of date software.”

  • Japh commented on a boo

    20 April 2009

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    A Rant About IE6 update!

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    about 4 years ago North Dorset, Dorset, United Kingdom

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    “Hi Paul, I've just done an AudioBoo response to your rant on IE6 (http://audioboo.fm/boos/7496-response-to-paul-boag-s-rant-on-ie6update). While I thoroughly respect you and look up to you in many ways, I have to say I disagree with you on this one. I think this is the best script of it's kind, and the only one I would support, as it is done in a very sensible manner. Notifying users that their browser isn't up to date, and that there is a newer version available. Not all users will have auto-update switched on in their operating system, and those who are on corporate networks need to encourage their IT folks to update. Microsoft have released newer version of IE since IE6 as high security updates. I think this script is the community supporting Microsoft in keeping their software up to date.”

  • Japh created a boo

    20 April 2009

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    Response To Paul Boag's Rant On IE6Update

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    • daviddixon but its still imitating an official MS alert bar. its malware because its advertising is dishonest in its delivery (the good intent aside). Its not all too dissimilar from someone putting a fake versign logo into a https page to give that customer "more confidence". The logo itself doesn't mean anything (without the link etc to verify the certificate), but a casual user wont know that, its still statement of authority that they recognise, just as the MS alert bar is.
    • iamkeir I pretty much agree with you and really like your measured delivery. However, the biggest issue for me is that the info bar is deliberately imitating the IE information bar... and, although the aim is a good one, by imitating a source, this is 'phishing' behaviour and surely cannot be endorsed? I think the best thing is if the info bar was self-styled and linked to a page that explained why upgrading would be beneficial to the user (in terms of security/accessibility etc.) and then linked to IE 8. This could easily be part of an accessibility statement on a website making the info bar completely legitimate.
    • Japh "Its also completely misleading to the user as you its pretending to be a MS alert bar, which it isnt. For all a customer knows, this could be a link to a dangerous piece of malware etc, it gives the impression on authority where none exists, and therefore is in itself malware." This is a fairly extreme and inaccurate statement. It is an alert bar, and it is about a Microsoft product that is out of date, and links directly to Microsoft's own website.
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  • Japh commented on a boo

    19 April 2009

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    Thoughts On IE6Update.com

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    about 4 years ago

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    “Thanks for your reply, Jim! I'm glad you agree with my comments, I thought your script was a really great approach. I don't think any of us can afford to "drop support" for IE6 yet, but this gives us a much more graceful way to provide a slightly reduced experience with an explanation. Great work! :)”

  • Japh created a boo

    19 April 2009

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    Thoughts On IE6Update.com

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    • Japh Thanks for your reply, Jim! I'm glad you agree with my comments, I thought your script was a really great approach. I don't think any of us can afford to "drop support" for IE6 yet, but this gives us a much more graceful way to provide a slightly reduced experience with an explanation. Great work! :)
    • jimrhoskins Thanks for the comments Japh. W agree 100% with your comments. We designed IE6Update for IE6 users, and giving them a chance to upgrade to a new IE version seemed much more appropriate than trying to switch them to another browser (be it firefox/safari/chrome/etc...) We don't officially support switching out the link destination, and in fact we would discourage it, but if site owners really prefer to do that, that is their choice. Here is some more info about why we created IE6Update: http://almost.done21.com/2009/04/announcing-ie6-update-help-kill-internet-explorer-6/ -- Jim, One of the IE6update creators.

  • Japh followed Duckz

    18 April 2009

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    18 April 2009

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  • Japh commented on a boo

    17 April 2009

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    @ Japh

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    about 4 years ago

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    “Thanks for replying to my AudioBoo. Wasn't very constructive criticism so not really much I can take onboard. At least now you know not to listen to my future 'Boos as they'll likely be more of the same ;)”

  • Japh created a boo

    17 April 2009

  • Japh created a boo

    17 April 2009

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    First Ever Podcast/micro-podcast...

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    • Duckz I have made this one in the past - its always best to tell the client straight away, no matter how awkward it may feel - leaving it a few days will make it harder to do and could stress you out.

  • Japh followed Paul Boag

    17 April 2009

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    Paul Boag

    Don't have time to listen to podcasts? Want to keep up on web design latest best practice? Then this podcast is for you. Posted multiple times a week, these quick tips give you useful advice that can be instantly applied to make your site better.

    561 boos / 501 followers